Price Guides February 2004: CPU and Motherboards
by Kristopher Kubicki on February 3, 2004 12:49 AM EST- Posted in
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With all the Prescott hoopla, this is clearly Intel's week. Prices have remained virtually unchanged as Alderwood/Grantsdale news continues to pour in from every channel. Again, read our recent CES coverage and Intel Roadmap articles for more coverage. Keep one critical element in mind when choosing an Intel motherboard. The next generation Intel boards will not incorporate AGP. Perhaps you bought a brand new Radeon 9800 Pro recently. If that's the case, you will probably want to stick with 865PE and 875P until you're ready to part with that ATI badboy.
Socket 478 might be a dying socket, but it's not dead yet. The Gigabyte 8KNXP Ultra has come down in price considerably in the last few weeks, but it is still one of the most expensive boards on the block. If you want to balance good performance with excellent features, the ASUS P4P800 Deluxe is our 865PE choice. DFI's 875P LanParty provides virtually identical features, but ASUS does it on an 865PE chipset at a 25% lower cost. Once again, ASUS reminds us why they have the largest motherboard reputation and capabilities in the world.
This week we have more video card roundups, as well as even more interesting roadmap action coming up!
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AGM130 - Sunday, February 15, 2004 - link
Anymore word on weather or not the A64 will drop in price? I have my debit card in a holster, just waiting!KristopherKubicki - Wednesday, February 4, 2004 - link
Trogdor, have you any other memory to test it with? I have not heard great things about Geil recently. I am not sure...Kristopher
TrogdorJW - Wednesday, February 4, 2004 - link
For Athlon 64 (socket 754), you list the MSI Neo FIS2R as a recommendation. Having just built one last weekend, I have to say that everything was great... except for the memory support. 1GB Geil Golden Dragon PC3200 2-3-3-6 timings would not run stable. I tried quite a few settings, but finally dropped to DDR333 to get it stable. So that's probably why it has this huge price drop: people are learning that it isn't very stable. Just my two cents. Make sure you get RAM that you know will run in the MSI board!KristopherKubicki - Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - link
Keith:"Your indication that the 3000+ A64 model would drop is incorrect (I already have the new pricelist), A64 pricing will not be cut"
I have heard about vendors say both will be cut. Please email me -
I do agree AMD has been much better with paper launches since the A64 introduction. This does only account for 4 processors but its a good start.
Kristopher
KeithDust2000 - Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - link
Also this: "You may recall that Opteron 248 was first announced at COMDEX 2003. Here we are two months later, and retail wise the 248 and 848 is virtually non-existent. We have seen a few chips here and there for review samples, but it appears that both AMD and Intel embrace the paper launch with open arms."
The 248 model has become available from Monarch at launch day, and they have it in stock today. The 848, at a cost of more than $3000, is hardly a retail product, it´s not like 4way is the enthusiast´s choice. The P4EE wasn´t available anywhere for many months after introduction, so please don´t lump these together. AMD had terrible execution in earlier years, but since the Opteron launch, this has changed significantly, and it would be great if your statements would acknowledge that.
KeithDust2000 - Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - link
Christopher, maybe you should check this review of the Athlon 64 3000+ from Anandtechhttp://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1946
to see that the 3000+ is much more comparable to the P4 3.2 Ghz instead of the 2.8 Ghz model, as you try to make it seem. The only relevant mainstream area where the 2.8Ghz model would be faster would be on certain encoding tasks, and those people who mainly encode video all day (???) and think a few percent faster really matter for them should choose that model. Others are surely better served by the 3000+. Your indication that the 3000+ A64 model would drop is incorrect (I already have the new pricelist), A64 pricing will not be cut, only AXP pricing will, and your guess that the 3000+ would be cut to 2.8Ghz P4 level is wrong, and wouldn´t make sense based on its performance and feature advantages (Cool´n´quiet etc.). It stays at the P4 3 Ghz level, which is more than adequate, considering what Anandtech (and everyone else) found out about it.
As for your question:
"When was the last time we saw a solid launch and release date from either AMD or Intel in the past 2 years?"
A64 launched exactly on the day that AMD set many months before. It was available at launch day. The same is true for the FX, 3400+, and the 3000+ actually launched ahead of schedule. That is unlike the P4EE, or the Prescott.
Buying the 3000+ doesn´t lead to a dead-end either, as it will be at least viable for the 3700+, and AMD has on Aceshardware given the indication that 90nm processors would also be made available for S754 boards.
As for a dryup of Athlon XP parts, that is not what channel checks indicate.
Just FYI.
KeithDust2000 - Tuesday, February 3, 2004 - link