Buyer's Guide - Entry Level, January 2005
by Jarred Walton on January 9, 2005 12:05 AM EST- Posted in
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Since we have selected budget motherboards that include integrated graphics on the socket A and socket 478 platforms, an add-in graphics card is not required for them. If you want to add a graphics card to such a system, that's easy enough to do, but in that case, you're better off getting a motherboard without integrated graphics. An add-in graphics card is pretty much a requirement for running most recent computer games, and other tasks like video capture will also benefit from having a discrete graphics card. In the past, we have heard some requests for a budget system that doesn't bother with a graphics card, and so that's what we have in this Guide. We still prefer getting motherboards without integrated graphics, but most, if not all, of us also tend to play computer games now and then, so we're biased. Having used and supported various systems with integrated graphics in other environments, we feel pretty safe in saying that the majority of budget computer users will do fine with such a setup.As far as the card selection that we present here, we're going to push the boundaries of "budget" a little higher than normal, on the assumption that if you're not going with the integrated graphics recommendation, you probably want a little more from your graphics card. The GeForce 4 MX440 and Radeon 9200SE are still the cheapest "reasonable" graphics cards, but they're only moderately faster than the integrated solutions. You should be able to find one of those models for $40 to $50 if you want to really cut costs, but buying even a budget Athlon 64 or Pentium 4 system and then pairing it with crippled graphics is a questionable decision. We're not looking at truly capable gaming solutions here, but they should be able to run any current game at reduced detail settings without difficulty. If you would like more information on gaming graphics cards in particular, we recommend checking out our recent Gaming Guide.
AGP Graphics Recommendation: Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB DDR 128-bit, 400/600 GPU/RAM clock (bulk/OEM)
Price: $105 shipped
For moderate 3D graphics performance, the Radeon 9600 Pro offers the best bang for the buck. We have selected a Sapphire OEM model here, but really most of the cards perform at about the same level, and when you're on a budget, such concerns as noise levels and overclocking potential take a back seat to price. If you can find a 9600 Pro card for less (or about the same price), then you should be safe buying it. Be careful that you get a standard version and not an "Advantage" or other similarly named model, as there are cards with reduced GPU and RAM clock speeds on the market that share the "9600 Pro" name. The normal clocks for the 9600 Pro are 400 MHz for the core and 600 MHz DDR for the RAM. We have seen 400/400 models with the Pro name, but when you consider that the standard 9600 has a 325/400 clock and can be had for about $30 less money, the semi-Pro models are not a good bargain.
Going up in performance from the Pro is the 9600 XT, which is $30 more typically. With a 500 MHz core clock and the same 600 MHz RAM clock, however, we don't feel that it's worth the additional cost. The 9600 Pro should be more than adequate, and if it's not, you're probably better off spending closer to $200 or more rather than settling for the roughly 20% performance increase that the 9600 XT offers. We have chosen to go with a bulk/OEM model, as the additional programs that ship with a 9600 Pro are not usually worth the added cost, but if you feel differently, you can find retail versions starting at $10 to $15 more.
PCIe Graphics Recommendation: Albatron GeForce 6600 128 MB DDR 128-bit, 300/550 GPU/RAM clock (retail)
Price: $122 shipped
When we move to the PCI Express side of the equation, things change a bit. The absolute cheapest PCI Express graphics cards come in at about $70, and they are basically the equivalent of the Radeon 9600 SE. For those who don't know, the SE usually means that the part has a 64-bit memory interface (typically a bad thing where 3D performance is concerned), and despite the difference in numbers, the X300 and X600 are more or less the same chip with the only difference being the clock speeds. (Technically, the X300 uses the RV370 core and a 110 nm process while the X600 uses the RV380 core and a 130 nm process, but in terms of performance and features, we are not aware of any major architectural differences.) The X300SE and X300 correlate to the AGP 9600 SE and 9600 while the X600 Pro and X600 XT correlate to the AGP 9600 Pro and 9600 XT. Hopefully, if any of you were confused on that subject, we've managed to clear things up a bit.
All that talk of ATI parts may have led you to believe that we were selecting an ATI-base card, but that's not actually the case. The X600 Pro costs about $110 and is the PCIe equivalent of the 9600 Pro. That would make the two platforms equal in graphics performance, but there is a better option for PCI Express. When you look at the superior feature set and performance of the NVIDIA 6600 parts, we feel that they are worth the small bump in price. They include 8 pixel pipelines instead of only 4, which more than makes up for their 300 MHz clock speed. (The X600 Pro would basically need to run at 600 MHz to match the 6600 core's 300 MHz.) Add to that the Shader Model 3.0 support and we feel that the $10 price hike is more than worth the cost. The RAM performance is actually slightly lower, but so long as you don't enable antialiasing or run at really high resolutions in games, you should be fine. There are also 6600 cards that have a 64-bit memory bus, and you should definitely avoid these as they only save about $10 and offer half the memory performance of the full 6600 cards.
None of our graphics card recommendations here are what we would actually call "fast", but they offer reasonable performance for just about any task. Remember also that with the next version of Windows (codenamed Longhorn), 3D graphics support will actually be required in order to run it properly. Specifically, the word is that Pixel Shader 2.0 support will be required. That means that neither of the integrated graphics solutions will be able to run properly, but when you consider that Longhorn is probably two years off, we wouldn't lose any sleep over that fact. The two cards that we've listed here should meet the minimum requirements for Windows Longhorn, and by the time it actually ships, you will probably be able to buy much faster cards for less money. Just remember that if you don't get a decent graphics card now, you will have to buy something in a couple of years. This is why we insist that any newly purchased computer system now include an option to upgrade the graphics at the very least, so no matter how tempting an OEM system might look, if it doesn't have an AGP or PCIe slot, we would stay away from it.
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edlight - Sunday, January 9, 2005 - link
Warning for Corsair Value Select: If you want to run dual channel get one of their dual channel kits containing a matched pair. I bought one stick and another a month later, and they are totally different and won't run dual channel at all on my Asus A7V880. In fact, one is single sided and one dual sided. The memory isn't made by Corsair at all.justly - Sunday, January 9, 2005 - link
I really don't have a problem if you prefer the Nforce 3-250 chipset BUT to call the "performance and reliability" of either VIA and SiS "questionable" for a budget system seems a bit (actually quite a bit) narrow minded.If this where a overclocking or performance guide I would have less of a complaint, but for a budget guide I think you should elaborate on why these chipsets are so "questionable". Has Anandtech pionted out these "performance and reliability" issues in any reviews of either VIA or SiS, because the ony complaint I can recall had to do with overclocking.
You even mention that a Nforce 3-250 board (Epox) has "memory compatibility issues" so Nforce 3-250 is not void of "performance and reliability" issues either.
A BUDGET GUIDE is about two things "reliability and cost", performance is a "distant concern" (does this sound familiar? it should its on the first page). So when it comes to the motherboard why is "performance" now a concern (especially when performance differances between A64 motherboards seem trivial compared to other components)?
If I sound upset because of this then you are correct. I offen hear review sites hope for more competition in the chipset market (things like wishing some board manufacturer would try to make a performance board with a SiS chipset) and then I read things like this. If you really want to see some competition then the least you could do is not cut them from the market that they are targeting with their product without explaining why.
ChineseDemocracyGNR - Sunday, January 9, 2005 - link
"Intel has socket 478 parts, and these are often cheaper than the more recent platforms, but longevity is something of a concern."I agree that longetivy is a concern, but the socket 478 platform is not necessarily cheaper. Intel released the Celeron D in LGA775, starting with the 2.53GHz model (the lower ones are to be discontinued in Februrary according to the Inquirer). The LGA775 is a "J" version, which adds NX support for less than $5 more compared to the socket 478 version.
Given this, I would switch the Intel budget system to the Celeron D 325J, a little more expensive than the 320. There are cheap LGA775 motherboards available, like the ECS 661FX-M7 ($53.50) and the ASRock 775V88 ($57).
Another thing I would like to comment on is the Radeon 9600Pro suggestion. Newegg is selling 400/446 Sapphire cards as 400/600 (without saying it's an Advantage card) so be careful. I would suggest these for budget systems:
SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9000PRO Video Card, 64MB DDR, 128-bit $46 shipped
ABIT ATI RADEON 9550 Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-Bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "R9550-Guru " -RETAIL $80 shipped
This ABIT card comes with 3.6ns and overclocks to 500/600 (9600XT) more often than not.
bupkus - Sunday, January 9, 2005 - link
I just bought the Biostar 210V and according to their website http://www.biostar-usa.com/ideqdetails.asp?model=i... this model does support a 400 fsb. Don't expect to overclock an AXP as there is neither a voltage nor a multiplier setting in the bios. The fsb for your cpu is set using jumpers which I hope also changes the AGP/PCI ratio as I'm told are unlocked. BTW, newegg had this model for fifteen dollars less than it is now, so look for possible sale prices. Currently $154.Avalon - Sunday, January 9, 2005 - link
You can get the Samsung 997DF 19" monitor for $202 shipped at techonweb.com, I bought it there two weeks ago. If the price hasn't changed....then I'd think $202 > $215 in terms of savings.Glassmaster - Sunday, January 9, 2005 - link
Great guide Jarred!Though I would rather not have seen the RAIDMAX PSU in there, it probably won't be as big a deal for the entry level budget system. It was good to see Fortron Source being mentioned too, as a cheap but reliable PSU alternative.
You might also point people in the direction of the excellent power supply guide by computerpro3 of the hardforums. http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=792566
He lists the brands to stay away from, and those worth buying, along with links to newegg for his specific recommendations.
Glassmaster.
Spacecomber - Sunday, January 9, 2005 - link
I always enjoy reading these system guides; so, thanks for this latest one.A couple of minor comments.
I don't think that the 120mm fan on the Antec SLK1650 cases is temperature controlled. At least one of the fans in the power supply is; so, perhaps that is what you were thinking. Nevertheless, the 120mm fan is fairly quiet and becomes virtually silent, if you use 7 volts for it.
I have been a big fan of the Seagate drives, because of their 5 year warranties (started at the time when there seemed to be a trend toward 1 year warranties on hard drives). While my initial experience of these drives was how quiet they were, I have been hearing other complain of getting drives that were not that quiet. My most recent Seagate purchase was a 120GB PATA model, and I too noticed that it seemed to buzz relatively loudly when it was seeking. I don't think it is so much how loud the noise is, but it has a kind of annoying quality to it.
Apparently, Seagate is involved in a lawsuit that alleges that Seagate stole their accoustic management technology from someone else. As a result, they have disabled this feature in their current line of drives. (You can use something like Hitachi's Feature Tool to see that accoustic management doesn't show up as an option on these drives.)
So, while Seagate continues to offer a 5 year warranty, which nobody else does (except the WD Raptors), they no longer should be looked to when a quiet drive is one of your criteria, imo.
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Pollock - Sunday, January 9, 2005 - link
I think you should forgo the SATA Seagate and go with the IDE version, which I've seen as cheap as $59-$62, saving you $7-10 for a pointless upgrade.bigpow - Sunday, January 9, 2005 - link
Entry Level Budget & Entry Level Performance labels should make the conclusion less confusing.kmmatney - Sunday, January 9, 2005 - link
Great review. The graphics section was very good, as well as the SFF section. Nice work.Although you did mention it, I think the Athlon XP-M is the best budget cpu, with a Barton core and unlocked multiplier. It is more expensive than the Sempron, but you can team it up with a $42 Asrock motherboard and overclock it 3200+ speeds easy, even with cheapo RAM.