Overclocking Buyer's Guide - September 2004
by Wesley Fink on September 17, 2004 12:05 AM EST- Posted in
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CPU and Motherboard: VALUE OC Recommendations
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Retail (2.2Ghz, 512k cache) or AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Mobile (2.0GHz, 1MB Cache)Motherboard: DFI LANParty UT nF3 250Gb
Price: CPU - $213 shipped (Retail). Motherboard - $137 shipped
For the first time, an Athlon 64 socket 754 gets the nod as our Value OC favorite. With most recent Athlon 64 reaching around 2.5GHz or higher, the task was finding an A64 that gave great value and also had a real history of significant overclocking. AMD, like Intel, has different flavors of A64 available at the same clock frequency. It was pretty easy to see that the 3200+ offered great value and great overclocking abilities, but the question was which 3200+. There are now 3 varieties of 3200+ - the original 2.0Ghz with 1MB of cache, the updated 2.2Ghz with 512k of cache, and the new mobile A64 at 2.0Ghz with 1MB of cache.
Since Overclocking goals may be a bit different for different end-users, we chose two 3200+ Athlon 64 CPUs, each of which sells for about $213.
The latest 3200+ is based on the update Newcastle core and runs at 2.2Ghz with 512k cache. We have found the newer 3200+ to be a particularly good overclocker with most users reaching 2.5Ghz with relative ease. Some reach much higher than this OC. We selected the retail version of the 3200+, which comes with the competent AMD HSF made by Ajigo.
If you prefer a little cooler CPU with lower rated wattage consumption, the 3200+ mobile is an excellent choice. While this A64 is rated at the same 1.5V as the desktop 3200+, it is specifies at lower wattage, at stock speed. This translates into lower heat and a likely higher overclock. The Value OC DFI LANParty UT handles the mobile 3200+ with ease, something that cannot be said of many other socket 754 boards.
Please keep in mind that the mobile A64 does not have a heatspreader and therefore, the height is a bit shallower than the stock desktop 3200+. Many HSF do not provide adequate contact with the core of the mobile. A solution that is reported to work fine with the mobile A64 is the Thermalright XP-90.
The XP-90 replaces the Athlon 64 cage with a cage more like the Pentium 4. In fact, the Thermalright will work with either CPU. Since the attachment springs have great range, it is easy to get the kind of core contact required to cool the mobile A64 properly. The XP-90 supports a 92mm fan, so you can select a big, high output fan that moves a lot of air at slower, quieter speeds. If you want a 120mm fan, the more expensive XP-120 supports that option. While the XP-90 fits any board that we have seen, the massive XP-120 is very picky about lots of CPU space for mounting. Take a close look before you move to the 120.
While the 3200+ and mobile 3200+ both cost $213, you will need to add the XP-90 HSF and a 92mm fan to the cost of the mobile 3200+. That adds about $55 to the total. Your reward is that the mobile will likely run cooler at stock and it will also likely overclock even further than a desktop 3200+. You also get a full 1MB of cache instead of 512k, which can be important in games like Doom3.
As we clearly saw in our recent review of the DFI LANParty UT nf3 250Gb, this is a board that is likely to become an overclocking legend. If you plan to overclock a 754, this is the board to choose. No other 754 has come close to the DDR616 1:1 memory performance that we achieved on the DFI. It also has the overclocking features and extended adjustment ranges that will put a smile on any overclocker's face.
The DFI is another Gold Editors choice, and it earned this award with overclocking prowess that stood out from the crowd. No other production 754 offers the overclocking control of the LANParty UT, which is why this board now tops the Orb at Future Mark for 3DMark2001SE. You can do a lot with a late 3200+, and the DFI will take your CPU and memory to levels no other board can reach. It also does it with an ease and stability that you will grow to admire over time.
It took quite a board to push out the legendary Asus P4C800-E as the Value OC champ, but the DFI has what it takes. Please take a close look at our review, DFI LANParty UT nF3-250Gb: Overclocker's Dream, and the recent roundup, Socket 754 Roundup, Part 3: Asus, Soltek & DFI for a clear idea of the true capabilities of the LANParty UT.
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whitelight - Friday, September 17, 2004 - link
For ram, look into PQI's 2-2-2-5 (2x512mb) solution. It overclocks really well with relatively tight timings and has samsung's tccd chips. It's also cheaper than other solutions ($250)axel - Friday, September 17, 2004 - link
Hi, very interesting article indeed.The only thing I do not really understand, and rather see as an error is the following:
You say that almost every top overclockers i.e. in the futuremark 3dmarks ORB database are on AMD platforms. Though, except if I'm not looking at the right place, if I'm taking into account the 5 best scores, I see that 4 of them are running Pentium4 platforms, and only one is an AMD (which is actually on the 4th position of the top-5).
AlphaFox - Friday, September 17, 2004 - link
Id like to see how the XP stacks up against the 64 when overclocked.. I have a XP mobile 2600 and am running it at 2.46Ghz and everything I throw at it runs as smooth as silk.. I dont see a need to upgrade unless there was something I couldnt run, or run smooth.eetnoyer - Friday, September 17, 2004 - link
Any chance you've tested the limits of the ballistix RAM on the DFI. If so, how high did it reach?Nickel020 - Friday, September 17, 2004 - link
Nice article, but there is a mistake on page 5 (CPU and Motherboard: VALUE OC Recommendations):The heatsinks listed (XP-90 & 120) are made by Thermalright, not Thermaltake.
Shinei - Friday, September 17, 2004 - link
Nice article, though I'm curious to see how the 3200-M64 performs compared to the Clawhammer and Newcastle desktop cores. I know the Newcastle revisions have an upgraded memory controller, or something like that; does the 3200-M64 have the same upgrades, or is it based on the older Clawhammer revision?And why the choice of OCZ's PowerStream? Antec puts out a 550w that's just as reliable as the 480w you suggested as an alternative... Unless I missed a review that pointed out the OCZ to be more robust than the Antec supply.
qquizz - Friday, September 17, 2004 - link
This is my type of review. I can't have too many of them. I do agree with slashbinslashbash about some guidance on value oriented RAM. The price differences between 2-2-2-5 memory and say 2.5-x-x-x value memory is rather drastic. But if none of it will o/c then so be it.slashbinslashbash - Friday, September 17, 2004 - link
#2: Under the Value OC Alternative system Wesley writes "Buy an ATI 9800 PRO for $200 less and overclock the heck out of it." So it looks like you were right on the money ;) Personally I'm looking at a 9600XT All-In-Wonder as it's about the same price at Newegg; less performance in games (still reasonable framerates in Doom3) but with the ever-so-cool All-In-Wonder functionality added.slashbinslashbash - Friday, September 17, 2004 - link
Great guide. The only thing that I'd ask you to do differently (or rather, to add next time) is to make a "value" recommendation for the RAM. Nowadays I won't use any less than a gig of RAM, but I think it's silly to pay substantially more for RAM than for the CPU. Even just one stick of 512MB in the Value Alternative system costs more than the CPU.I'd like to know some "value" RAM alternatives that might not have such aggressive latency timings but will still keep up with the mobo and CPU, if it's possible. I know you guys can't test every cheapo stick of RAM out there, but... any sort of guidance would be appreciated. All the big brands offer "Value" RAM. Will none of it overclock? Is the performance from the recommended $280 (for 1GB) RAM actually worth the $120 premium it commands over, say, two $80 sticks of Corsair Value Select (on front page of ZipZoomFly)? Would that $120 be better spent on the CPU? It's more than the difference between the Sempron 3100+ and the "Value Recommended" system's A64 3200+.. and it nearly covers the upgrade to both the CPU and motherboard.
Also, two errors: 1) the eVGA 6800GT is listed as $389 under the Value Alternative system but at $383 under the Value Recommended system; 2) the Value Recommended system sums to $1440, not $1460.
Again, great guide, it's probably what I'll be looking at when I decide on my next system.
decptt - Friday, September 17, 2004 - link
For AGP VGA, do you have a value altervative for limited budget not playing doom3?For me, 6800 is too powerful to run multimedia and encoding DivX.
Do you think 9800Pro can be runner up?
Anyone knows about when ATI X series for AGP (X300, X600) will be coming? or ONLY PCI Express :'(