High End Buyer's Guide - September 2004
by Wesley Fink on August 30, 2004 12:22 AM EST- Posted in
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CPU and Motherboard Alternatives
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 560 (3.6Ghz)Motherboard: Asus P5AD2 Premium (Intel 925X)
Price: CPU - $505 shipped (Retail with HSF). Motherboard - $264 shipped
It was difficult to decide between the Single-Channel Socket 754 Athlon 64 and the new Intel Socket 775 for the High-End alternative. Despite the massive increase in memory bandwidth that comes with the Dual-Channel 939, the fact remains that the Athlon 64 is not particularly bandwidth-starved compared to recent deep-pipe Intel designs. As you can see in the launch article on Socket 939, this translates into performance of the single-channel 754 Athlon 64 that is only 2% to 9% slower than the new 939 at the same speed. In real terms, this means that a Socket 754 combined with a second-generation Socket 754 motherboard with AGP/PCI locks is still slightly outperforming Intel's latest and greatest Pentium 4 560 (3.6GHz). The new pricing of the 2.4GHz 3700+ at about $525 also makes this tempting for the High-End Value shopper. The 754 is still a very good alternative, but in the end, the new Socket 775 on one of the motherboards that solves the Intel OC lock riddle won out as the High-End alternative due to the combination of features and future.
Intel produces processors with locked multipliers, so for raw performance, we chose the highest Intel stock speed. The Intel 560, running at 3.6GHz and based on the 90nm Prescott core, is the fastest Intel CPU you can buy today. As Anand found in the Socket 775 launch review CPU benchmarks, the 560 is generally faster than the more expensive 3.4EE, which has double the cache, but is based on the 130nm Northwood core. Most Socket 775 processors that we have tested tend to top out in the 3.8GHz to 4.0GHz range with modest voltage increases, so overclockers choosing a 775 CPU may want to choose a slower 775, like the 3.2GHz to balance ultimate overclock with board Clock frequency capabilities.
In this case, the Asus P5AD2 tops out at 278 with ATI PCIe video or about 260 with nVidia PCIe. We also showed, in our DDR2 memory roundup, that all current DDR2 memory could run at DDR2 667, which is achieved at a Clock frequency of 250. This means that if you are an experienced overclocker, you can achieve the same or higher performance with a 3.2E Socket 775 matched to the Asus P5AD2.
However, this is the High-End Buyer's Guide and there is no doubt that overall, the 560 is the fastest stock Intel Socket T processor that you can buy. This makes the 560 the ideal choice for a Socket T, PCI Express, DDR2 High-End system.
The Intel 925X chipset is Intel's Enthusiast chipset, and we recently compared 925X motherboards in our 925X Roundup. The Gold Editor's Choice in that roundup was the Asus P5AD2, which makes the Asus the logical choice for our High-End Intel system.
The P5AD2 Premium is clearly top-of-the-line in every way. All of the Asus Proactive AI (Artificial Intelligence) features are included, and Asus proudly advertises the overclocking features of the P5AD2 Premium. This includes a special cooling plate on the bottom of the board in the CPU area that Asus calls Stack Cool.
Asus includes Dual Gigabit PCI Express LAN on the P5AD2, with both LAN ports powered by the new Marvel 88E8053 Ethernet controllers. You will also find a complete WiFi set-up with an 802.11g card and antenna included for the WiFi slot. Asus uses the premium C-Media CMI9880 codec supporting the Intel High-Definition audio, with 8 channels and Dolby Digital Live technology support. The P5AD2 also adds the DDR2 memory option of 600MHz at stock speed in addition to the common 533 and 400 options.
The storage area is one area where the Asus stands out compared to other 925X boards. All 925X support the ICH6R standard 4 SATA/1 IDE (2drives) configuration. The Asus adds 4 more SATA ports for a total of 8 SATA ports, and also adds an ITE controller for 2 more IDE devices for a total of 4.
When Socket 775 was launched, it did not appear that any of the new 925X/915 motherboards would ever become a recommended performance motherboard. Performance was fine if you looked only at stock speeds, but the 925x/915 boards appeared limited to about a 10% overclock by design. This severely limited performance at the very top compared to Intel 875/865 chipset boards. However, the P5AD2 has turned out to be the best overclocker that we have seen so far among the 925X motherboards. In our tests, the Asus reached 278 FSB with the difficult combination of a top-end ATI X800 XT PCIe video card and a SATA hard drive. This puts the P5AD2 in the same performance ballpark as the best 875 boards, making it easier to choose a 925X system as the high end alternative system.
The P5AD2 is an expensive motherboard, but it will take 775 performance to places that are difficult to reach with other 925X motherboards. It was designed from the start to be a dream board for Performance computing, and Asus even provides a full range of AI overclock options for the more timid, with auto presets from 5% to 30% overclock, which represent a range of auto overclocks to FSB1066/DDR2-710.
There is also a full range of both familiar and new manual settings for overclockers who like to dial their own.
Listed below is part of our RealTime pricing engine, which lists the lowest prices available on the Intel CPUs and motherboards from many different reputable vendors:
If you cannot find the lowest prices on the products that we've recommended on this page, it's because we don't list some of them in our RealTime pricing engine. Until we do, we suggest that you do an independent search online at the various vendors' web sites. Just pick and choose where you want to buy your products by looking for a vendor located under the "Vendor" heading.
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Wesley Fink - Monday, August 30, 2004 - link
#17 -Thanks for the info on Apple's updated interface. While I agree the picture on the Dell is a bit gainy with smearing on analog, I have found the 2001FP to be outstanding on DVI. With this size flat panel I assumed no one would run anything but digital input.
Hikari - Monday, August 30, 2004 - link
On the Apple displays and ADC. That is no longer true, they use DVI now.There is some new 23" HP that is based on the same panel as the Apple, and I think it is a better deal. Although the Apple is prettier. ;)
danidentity - Monday, August 30, 2004 - link
Few mistakes I'd like to point out:Page 3, CPU and Motherboard Alternatives:
"When Socket 775 was launched a few weeks ago, it did not appear that any of the new 925X/915 motherboards would ever become a recommended Overclockers board."
***Socket 775 was launched two months ago, not several weeks ago. Looks like a copy/paste mistake.
Page 6, AGP Video:
"We ended up relaxing our rules by including the Gigabyte 6800 Ultra because several vendors are showing availability in the first 2 weeks of July."
***July??? This is August, almost September.
JonathanYoung - Monday, August 30, 2004 - link
kherman,Who's complaining about advertisements? That realtime pricing engine is hardly an advertisement... it's a long list of prices and vendors in plain text and zero differentiation between vendors. Again, that's hardly an advertisement.
I'd read AT's disclaimer on the subject if I were you, particularly the following lines:
"We select vendors to appear in our Price Guides based on two requirements: solid consumer feedback and having the lowest possible pricing."
"AnandTech does not sell positions on the Price Guide."
Note the "We select" and "AnandTech does not sell positions."
Sincerely,
"#5"
Aelius - Monday, August 30, 2004 - link
Actually I own a brand new Apple 20" Aluminum Cinema Display. Dispite the site telling you that it can take a month to ship one to you I got mine in 4 days.The stand is increadibly solid. No way to simply knock it over. It's gota be solid metal and most of the weight of the monitor comes from the stand.
It's very light at around 7 1/2 lbs.
It's not dinky at all. You can adjust the way the monitor points up and down and it stays the way you leave it. That part is also very solid.
There are no vents anywhere because the power brick is not built-in and the entire casing is made out of aluminum which absorbs the heat so the top gets fairly warm to the touch after long use.
The whole thing is increadibly high quality.
A cool feature of the monitor is that you can adjust the backlight through a + and - touch pad on the right side and the power button is also a touch pad found on the right.
Far as I know the Apple's come with very few dead or stuck pixles but mine came with 3 dead and 2 stuck blue pixles. Honestly I can't even notice even when I look for it unless it's a black background.
It's so sharp and bright that it makes my old Viewsonic PF CRT look like an ancient wreck.
Is it expansive? Oh God yeah and it's worth every penny as far as I'm concerned.
P.S. There seems to be a quality control issue with 23" displays but mine seems fine and couldn't find any issues with it that others reported on the 23" ones.
Any questions just PM me as I won't monitor this page.
ksherman - Monday, August 30, 2004 - link
#17- agreed, and according to apple, have a response time of 16ms, so maybe it is worth doing a review of, even though it is several hundred dollars more... and is it just me, or does the stand on the apple display seem like it not be able to support the screen?shuttleboi - Monday, August 30, 2004 - link
#9: your information is outdated. Apple introduced new monitors a few months ago that have DVI. Check their website. Their new 20" LCD is selling for $1299, which is in line with the equivalent Samsung and Planar models. From what I've read, the Dell 2001fp is extremely grainy with a crosshatch pattern on the screen, so I'm avoiding that.behemoth68 - Monday, August 30, 2004 - link
I Just put a BFG 6800 ultra into my system and am currently using an antec true power 480 and you seriously need the antec true power 550 especially since its only 20 more online its the smart move my system voltage was fluctuating a little at 480 but i put the 550 in and it worked great!phray - Monday, August 30, 2004 - link
about the price engine thingy:i agree with kherman on this. if you want this site to stay free, get used to it.
if you don't like scrolling down all that much, try pressing the 'End' key on your keyboard.
SMOG - Monday, August 30, 2004 - link
Great article, I continually am impressed by the quality of the articles here, and find the buyer's guides particularly helpful.I did find one strange comment in the artical,
"We ended up relaxing our rules by including the Gigabyte 6800 Ultra because several vendors are showing availability in the first 2 weeks of July." Are these cards still hard to find? (quick search told me that both Newegg and ZipZoomFly had some in stock, but were sold out on many brands)
Thanks,
SMOG