Buyer's Guide: Mid-Range System - August 2004
by Evan Lieb on August 23, 2004 12:05 AM EST- Posted in
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Memory
Recommendation: 2 X 256MB OCZ PC3200 EL (Enhanced Latency) CAS2.0Price: $114 shipped
We've talked about OCZ's troubled past and history in detail before, but thankfully, those issues have been resolved and OCZ is able to bring great memory to market, and has been doing so for over a year now. With that said, OCZ has had tremendous success with their EL series of modules for a reason: great price/performance ratio. At only slightly more than the modules that we recommended a few months before, you get lower CAS timings (CAS 2-2-3-6 1T) with OCZ EL modules instead of high CAS timings (CAS 3-3-3 4T) with the cheaper no-name modules. Lower CAS timings along with the EL series' overclocking capability translates into better performance for a great price. If you can still find the PC3500 EL modules, you can run them at DDR433. Of course, you can do that with the PC3200 EL modules as well.
We should also mention that you don't have to get a pair of 256MB modules if you think you'll be making big memory upgrades in the future. That is, you can opt for a 512MB OCZ PC3200 EL stick in order to save an additional DIMM slot for future memory expansion. And don't worry about a price hike; the cost difference between two 256MB OCZ PC3200 EL modules and a 512MB OCZ PC3200 EL module is virtually nothing.
Alternative: 2 X 512MB OCZ PC3200 EL Dual Channel Platinum
Price: $246 shipped
For our alternative pick, we've decided to recommend more memory this time around. We feel that additional memory (in this case, an extra 512MB) can be quite useful as systems get more powerful. Lower latency modules have never been a huge difference maker in comparison to additional main memory for systems that require such powerful resources. As your system ages and as you use applications that require more resources, your need for memory will go up. This is why we choose to list 1GB of memory as our alternative today. The dual channel certified capability for these modules is an added bonus if you decide to migrate to a Socket 939 platform, which is relatively easy even now. Though to be fair, you could just as easily migrate with 256MB modules.
Video
Recommendation: 128MB Sapphire Radeon 9600 Pro, DVI, TV-outPrice: $131 shipped
Ever since the release of the ATI R300 cores and their later iterations, ATI has either led or has had a clear lead over NVIDIA in terms of performance and price. The same is still true of ATI at the moment, 24 months since the release and availability of R300 core video cards. That's why, today, we highly recommend purchasing a 9600 Pro for your mid-range system, as it offers great DX8 and good DX9 performance for the price. To put it simply, the 9600 Pro is still the best bang-for-the-buck video card on the market. Sapphire makes a great 9600 Pro for just $131 or so shipped; the additions of DVI and TV-out for this price are unique, and overall, a great deal. 2D IQ quality is excellent, up to 1600x1200 desktop resolutions with the right monitor, essentially on par with retail ATI versions of the 9600 Pro. As previously mentioned, 3D performance is excellent in DX8 games and good in DX9 games, and 128MB of memory will be plenty until more intense DX9 games are released later this year and next year. If you plan on being a heavy Doom 3 gamer, however, you definitely do not want to be purchasing this card, and should instead be looking at NVIDIA's GeForce6 offerings at higher price levels. Anyway, we can also attest to the fact that 9600 Pro cards have been known to overclock extremely well, and usually come with 3.3ns Samsung memory chips.
Of course, if you're not a gamer or don't plan on playing games more than once a year, or ever, a 9600 Pro would be a pointless purchase. We would instead suggest the ATI Radeon 9200SE, 9200, 9600SE, 9550, or 9550SE, all of which can be found for under $90 shipped online (the 9200 and 9200SE for about half that). These lower end cards provide excellent 2D quality that non-gamers need, along with reliable drivers, great online ATI customer support, and up to DX9 support (in addition to excellent DX8 performance) for future Microsoft operating systems. You could always opt for the cheapest of cheap ATI cards in the Radeon 7000, but you won't be getting DX8 support, which should be the bare minimum for computer systems that plan to be used beyond the next 18-24 months, when XP64 will necessitate DX8 of some form for smooth operation.
Alternative: 128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, DVI, TV-out
Price: $199 shipped
ATI's 9800 Pro has been rapidly declining in price for the last several months, and over the last two months has stabilized around the $200 mark. Even with the introduction of ATI's next generation X800 GPU, we don't see the 9800 Pro dropping more than a few more dollars in retail from where it stands now for the foreseeable future. ATI's X800 GPU and the 9800 Pro's lower price are precisely why we believe that the 9800 Pro is a perfect alternative to the 9600 Pro (or even 9700 Pro) for your mid-range system. It offers good performance for tomorrow's games and great performance for the vast majority of today's games. The 128MB memory chips at their rated 3.3ns is standard these days and should fit the needs of a mid-range user. Thankfully, 2D IQ is still superb with high end retail ATI video cards like the 9800 Pro, so non-gamers have nothing to worry about in that department.
Listed below is part of our RealTime pricing engine, which lists the lowest prices available on ATI video cards from many different reputable vendors:
If you cannot find the lowest prices on the products that we've recommended on this page, it's because we don't list some of them in our RealTime pricing engine. Until we do, we suggest that you do an independent search online at the various vendors' web sites. Just pick and choose where you want to buy your products by looking for a vendor located under the "Vendor" heading.
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Zebo - Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - link
Hire jpayton to writer these guides.This system will destroy what you have for much less. Better monitor, Better video card and expensive ram is a waste. Heck you could have a gig of ram and still be less than $1000. Is the GB's firewall, and gigabit ethernet worth $50? Not to me.
CPU & Cooling AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (retail cooler) $169
MOBO- CHAINTECH "VNF3-250" nForce3 250 $75
Memory 512MB PQI PC3200 $69
Video Card 128MB Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro $193
Monitor NEC/MITSUBISHI FE991SB-BK SuperBright Diamondtron CRT 19" $249
Computer Case Antec SLK2650-BQE Mid Tower (includes Antec 350W PSU) $79
Sound Card Onboard sound $0
Speakers Logitech Z640 5.1 $56
Networking Onboard 10/100/1000 Ethernet $0
Hard Drive SAMSUNG 80GB 7200RPM IDE $63
CD-RW Lite-On 52x32x52x16 Combo Drive $43
Bottom Line - $923
Locutus4657 - Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - link
Nice recommendations Evan! I think it's about the first buys guide I've read that came close to offering the same hardware I actually ended up choosing for my own mid-range system (some of my choices are pricier but hey). For comparison, here's what I came up with.A64 3000+ With Thermaltake Silent Boost K8 cooler
Chaintech ZNF250 MB (nForce 250 & 6 in 1 card reader!)
1GB Corsair Value Select
120GB WD PATA + 80GB IBM PATA
ATI Radeon 9600XT
Asus 52x32x52x CD-RW
16x40x DVD-ROM (hand me down from previous system)
ZIP 100 ATPI Internal
Built in broadcom GB Ethernet (I think it's broadcom).
KrazyDawg - Monday, August 23, 2004 - link
SharkyExtreme also has a buyer's guide for value, mid range, and extreme if anyone wanted to see a different site's perspective. I'm not stating that AnandTech's guides are inadequate. It's just another review site. Both sites almost list the same hardware so it should help strengthen a user's decision. I don't agree with some of the hardware they added to their recent guides such as the generic ram for Intel but everything else looks good.gherald - Monday, August 23, 2004 - link
> I went with the MSI Neo-FSR since I didn't need the extra features on the PlatinumYou're missing the point dude. It's not about features -- although they can be nice -- it's about the all around performance and reliability or shall we say "solidness" of the motherboard.
The K8N is much better than the FSR in this and all other respects. Trust me, I've worked with both.. you made a mistake.
Anyone who doesn't spend the extra $20 for a K8N Platinum is being foolish.
I'd take an A64 3000 paired with a K8N over a A64 3200 paired with the FSR any day!
BopTop - Monday, August 23, 2004 - link
This weekend I ordered a system almost exactly like this for my first ever self-build - I went with the MSI Neo-FSR since I didn't need the extra features on the Platinum, got an Athlon 64 3200, gig of Corsair ValueSelect Ram after reading So's memory recommendation on the forums, and a GeForce 6800 GT - granted, it costs more than the midrange system, but for my budget, I was looking for a very capable gaming computer that could run DoomIII well.Swaid - Monday, August 23, 2004 - link
Time for me to chime in on my experience with that NuTech drive, its utter garbage! I had problems with it reading stamped CDs (motherboard and video card driver CDs), it would literally lock up the system when seeking! Even the lastest firmware didn't help the situation. The NEC (2500A with DL bios hack) drive I have been loving, though I don't bother with Dual Layer burning since it's too damn expensive still! I have had zero problems with those and I regret ever straying from that drive for my system builds since the NuTech drive was a nightmare from the get go. Lots of false hope in that NuTech drive.NightCrawler - Monday, August 23, 2004 - link
Nutech DDW-082 burner is a piece of junk !!!!!Stay away from this burner and this company !!!!!
Pioneer, LiteON or NEC have all been reviewed at cdfreaks.com and cdinfo.com and come out way above in terms of writing quality.
gherald - Monday, August 23, 2004 - link
1) Indeed, 2x256mb makes zero sense on a single-channel platform like socket 754. Go with a single stick of 512mb, folks.2) Yes the 74G is noticeably better than the 36G and a better investment (I should know, I own 2 of each)
3) I agree The CRT Recommendation is good.
4) Here is where we differ. Strongly. Now I feel like starting a rant about motherboard manufacturers to knock some sense into your head... you really need to "get with the times." Your statement about MSI may have been true a year ago, but as the article says:
"MSI has indeed produced the best Athlon 64 motherboards in two platform flavors [s754 and s939] that you can buy. This is a big step forward for MSI, whose image has been tarnished in the enthusiast community in recent quarters."
This is 100% correct. I've personally worked with five socket 754 motherboards: One via-based MSI, two MSI K8Ns, and two via-based Epox. Of these, one of the epox has died, the other performed "ok." The via-based MSI has also been "ok" but the two MSI K8Ns are absolutely stellar. And the new non-standard-ATX MSI layout is *VERY* nice.
For now, MSI leads the pack in A64 boards.
ABIT does so for Intel and legacy Socket A.
ASUS seems to have been floundering ever since the pioneering A7N8X was challenged by the NF7, although their post-canterwood Intel boards do look interesting.
Epox used to be an overclocker's dream, but now that the other major players have gotten their act together Epox really has nothing notable to offer except bad support.
Gigabyte still makes pretty good boards, but they're overpriced as usual.
mino - Monday, August 23, 2004 - link
1.) since You recommend A64 s754 as primary alternative, it DOES NOT make sense to recommend dual memory config -> BTW 2 modules per channel cause need for 2T timing on A64 which makes bigger penalty than going from CAS2.5 to CAS2!2.) HDD alternative makes NO sense. When You want to recommend Raptor then chose 74G part! Also some 80G/160G Samsung P80 SATA would be much more reasonable for mid-range
3.) I really appreciate that for CRT alternative you chose high-end part since these times it is hard to fing good 19"CRT if man does not know exactly what to look for.
4.) Epox A64 board would IMHO be MUCH safer way to go, since I have not seen serious product from MSI(here called "microshit") in last 2 years.
Except MSI's server boards naturally.
Besides that, nice guide.
ciwell - Monday, August 23, 2004 - link
One thing I noticed is that the Pricing Engine for the Storage drives lists a Seagate 200GB hard drive for $32.00 from Dell.Clicking on the link brings me to the Dell page, but the drive is really $132.00...odd. Not sure what is up with that.
Other than that, great guide.