Weekly Buyer's Guide: Mid-Range System - July 2004
by Evan Lieb on July 16, 2004 12:05 AM EST- Posted in
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CPU and Motherboard Recommendations
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 2800+ 512K L2 1.8GHz retail (heatsink and fan included)Motherboard: MSI K8N Neo Platinum (nForce3 250Gb)
Price: CPU - $185 shipped. Motherboard - $125 shipped
This month, we continue to recommend Athlon 64 processors after switching our mid-range CPU recommendation from Athlon XP processors to Athlon 64 processors last month because of the reduced prices on "low-end" Athlon 64 processors as well as better Socket 754 motherboard support (with VIA K8T800 Pro and nForce3 250Gb chipsets becoming available). AMD's Athlon 64 2800+ running at 1.8GHz and with a 512K L2 cache is a very fast mid-range processor. It has a distinct advantage over Intel's mid-range processors due to its ability to run 64-bit operating systems and 64-bit applications, if the need were to ever arise. Microsoft has officially and unofficially supported AMD's move to 64-bit desktop computing for years now, and even Intel themselves said they would make their future Prescott processors compatible with AMD's 64-bit technology (dubbed x86-64). So, as we've stated before, as a mid-range processor, you simply cannot beat the value of an Athlon 64 2800+ or thereabouts.
Over the next few weeks, look for Socket 939 processors and motherboards to become available in massive quantities with Socket 939 processors coming down into the mid-range territory in about 6-8 weeks.
As was the case last month, this choice was difficult to make. Epox offers a similarly great motherboard to MSI, and so to us, it was indeed almost a toss up between the two. However, MSI's K8N Neo Platinum was ultimately chosen because it offered a few extra BIOS features and a slightly lower price. Anyway, offering the nForce3 250Gb chipset itself is easily the biggest feature that the K8N Neo Platinum motherboard carries. This one-chip solution offers native Firewall capability, 4-drive SATA/IDE RAID, and native GbE (Gigabit Ethernet). MSI adds in features like IEEE 1394 FireWire support, 8-channel sound and superb BIOS features and overclocking ability, making this, simply put, an awesome motherboard. MSI plans on using this type of blueprint for their Socket 939 motherboards too, as well as for the nForce3 250Gb Ultra (which adds official 1GHz HT support). This can only mean more good news for MSI's Athlon 64 market from top to bottom. For more information on MSI's K8N Neo Platinum and Socket 754 motherboards, take a look at Wesley's MSI K8N Neo Platinum review and Wesley's Socket 754 roundup.
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Pollock - Friday, July 16, 2004 - link
Unless I'm mistaken, that's not a picture of the Antec BQE, but rather a slightly different Antec case.http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?desc...
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?desc...
Of course, Newegg could also have the pictures wrong, I just don't feel like looking anywhere else.
jediknight - Friday, July 16, 2004 - link
#4:Chances are, if you upgrade to a dual channel (I'll assume within 2 years):
a) Your DDR memory will be obsolete - everything will be DDR2 or it's successor
b) 512MB of RAM will not be enough, even for an entry level system
Best to recommend a single 512MB stick, IMO.. gives you room to upgrade.
nullpointerus - Friday, July 16, 2004 - link
Just got done building a new PC to act as a home video server + console emulator, and I have a few recommendations:NewEgg.com
-- Aspire cases ~$55 shipped, very nice for the price
-- Geil 512MB PC3200 6-3-3-2.5 for ~$82 shipped
eBay
-- Radeon 9700 Pro $132 shipped (have to be somewhat lucky)
Also, why recommend a PATA drive when SATA drives tend to create less clutter and perform a bit better? I really wouldn't recommend a raptor for a new mid-range system - games have multigigabyte installs these days, and then you need space for music, CDs, movies. IMO it's better for load times to rip your game CDs to a ~3x larger hard drive.
crimson117 - Friday, July 16, 2004 - link
The Casedge TS1 is NOT $40 shipped at pcclub. It's $20 shipping to New York and $11 tax/shipping to California.ir0nw0lf - Friday, July 16, 2004 - link
PrinceGaz, this is a mid-range system, 1 GB of RAM is overkill for this. 512 MB in a single stick would be ideal here.PrinceGaz - Friday, July 16, 2004 - link
Generally very good recommendations I'd agree with, and the first choice of hard-drive (120GB Seagate) is an improvement over a noisy 80GB WD.However, the choice of memory is still poor. 512MB isn't enough for this sort of system so you have to go for 1GB (2x 512MB modules). Only the high-end system should be using considerably more expensive low-latency modules as they don't offer enough extra performance to justify the increase in price over regular memory. I know it must be tempting after reading all the memory reviews on AT to go with the best memory available, but it offers only a very small real-world performance increase that doesn't justify the much higher price. Go with 2x 512MB sticks of regular brand-name memory (not cheap and nasty no-name memory).
Even if you do only want 512MB for some reason, you should get a single 512MB stick if you're building the AMD system as the K8N Neo Platinum (like most S754 AMD boards) only has three DIMM slots. You certainly don't want to limit your future upgrade options by filling two of them with 256MB sticks.
Apart from the memory suggestions, an excellent guide.
kherman - Friday, July 16, 2004 - link
I hope that 3D card you recomended can play Doom!Then again, people can always upgrade on their own.
Degrador - Friday, July 16, 2004 - link
I'd have to agree with the memory thing. Time and time again we're shown that the benefit of low latency memory is relatively little, especially considering the premium you pay for it. I always suggest to people buying computers that for the extra cost of low latency, you'd be better off either doubling the ram to 1GB, or upgrading the video card, or getting a faster processor - whatever, all of these will give better performance than low latency memory ever will.Also getting 2 sticks of 256MB is as mentioned relatively pointless. A mid-range user is not likely to upgrade anytime soon, meaning either they'll want DDR2 when they do, or they'll want more than 512MB memory. Perhaps if this was an overclocking system, or a high-end, then you could consider them upgrading in future, and what will benefit then. But certainly not for midrange.
StormGod - Friday, July 16, 2004 - link
I will continue to ask AT to assemble these systems and run some benchmarks on them.mino - Friday, July 16, 2004 - link
#4 Evan,You are wrong with that assumption about memory.
If anyone wanted to upgrade, from this setup to dual, then it makes much more sense to buy another 512 module also, since anyway CPU and MB will have to be replaced.
256 module as it stands now, are just for office comps (w/256M) or when someone doesn't have left money for 512 module and plans to buy one in the near future.
For Combo I will also opt for Toshiba parts rather than LiteOn's.
Overal, except this little nonsense, pretty good guide.