Buyer's Guide: High End System - July 2004
by Wesley Fink on June 30, 2004 12:00 PM EST- Posted in
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As we detailed in our last High End Buyer's Guide, the guides for High End System and Overclocking System will now come from Wesley Fink, AnandTech's Motherboard, Memory and Chipset Editor. Once the new schedule is in full swing, Wes will have a new guide every 2 to 3 weeks. Evan Lieb will continue the Entry and Mid-Level Buyer's Guides. Evan will also be debuting some new guides, with the goal of a new Buyer's Guide every week once the new guides are launched. The final Buyer's Guides additions are still in the works, so if you have a recommendation for Evan on a Buyer's Guide that you would like to see, then email your ideas to Evan.High End, in my estimation, is not without price limits, but price is much less a consideration than performance. If High End means anything for the enthusiast who reads AnandTech, then you can spend a bit more for performance that is really better. With this in mind, you will see the scales tip toward performance in my choices. Mid-range is where you sweat nickels and measure every component for bang for the buck. For High End, you pick the best.
As in past Guides, we offer a recommendation for every component that goes into a computer. Our recommendation is our First Choice and we will try to explain why we chose that component. For some components, we will also offer an alternative. We've added alternative hardware picks to our guides because it allows AnandTech to recommend a wider variety of hardware. This is especially true for those willing to spend a little more or to recommend a cheaper component that is of outstanding value. Alternative picks provide you other choices, which in some cases will be better suited for your needs, and in other cases, will not be.
Most of the prices listed for the hardware that we recommend can be found in our very own RealTime pricing engine. Any prices not found in our engine can be found on pricewatch. Relevant parts of our RealTime pricing engine are listed at the bottom of every page of our Buyer's Guides so that you can choose the lowest prices from a large variety of vendors.
We are always taking suggestions on how to improve our Buyer's Guides, and the changes you are seeing here are the result of suggestions from our readers and Editors. Considerations include a Buyer's Guide for SFF (Small Form Factor systems), Gaming System, and Laptop/DTP (Desk-Top Replacement). If you have other suggestions, let us know by emailing your suggestions for new guides to Evan; the Guides are to help you with your buying decisions.
High End
A High End system should represent the best performance, features, and flexibility that you can buy for a given need. In this case, the given need is defined as a Desktop Computer System built from the best performing computer components that you can actually buy. This differs from other Buyer's Guides, which concentrate on value first. With the extensive testing done at AnandTech by many different Editors, we have personally tested many of these components, and you will see our Editor's Choice components appear frequently in the Buyer's Guides.With performance as the most important consideration in a high end system, reliability becomes the second most important consideration. Truthfully, reliability is, in most cases, just as important as performance, since it does no good to put together an expensive high end system that you can not enjoy due to reliability issues. By definition, price is a distant third consideration, but price is not the same as value. Value is always a consideration in our buying guides because we refuse to recommend high-priced components that provide little or no performance advantage over lower priced components. A component that costs 250% more for a 5% increase in performance is not a good value and does not even belong in a high end system.
Anyone who is considering building a top-of-the-line system needs to realize that the best performing parts aren't usually going to be the cheapest parts. On the other hand, the value and performance that you get for your dollars in today's computer market are the best that we have ever seen in many years in the computer industry. There was a time when the best desktop systems were much more than $10,000; while today, you are hard pressed to spend more than $5,000 on a top-performing system. In most cases, the best performance can be had even less. With this in mind, our only restriction is that our high end system will cost under $5,000.
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kd4yum - Thursday, July 8, 2004 - link
Well! I guess so!regarding comment 28....
Now wait a minute. Why would RAID 0 cut the MTBF in half? Is this dice we are rolling?
Probably, the splay of i/o across mult disks would relax the work on the actuator arms.
'specially if 'elevator queueing' is active.
And don't forget about reduced fragmentation.
No, I think you'd get your 100K hours with either RAID 0 or RAID 1. It would just hirt more with RAID 0. my $0.02
kd4yum - Thursday, July 8, 2004 - link
Let's see. Do I still have a valid uname and passwd? uhhhthe5thgeek - Wednesday, July 7, 2004 - link
Ok my bad, it is not on the U.S. version of the msi web site. thanks!Wesley Fink - Wednesday, July 7, 2004 - link
#32 -The board is definitely on MSI's web bite at http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/download/dld...It even has BIOS and drivers posted. MSI assured us the board would be available beginning last week, so it should be available very soon.
#33 - There will be an Overclocking Guide later this month. With all of the massive changes in Sockets, Chipsets, and Hardware, we decided to delay the overclocking guide until the new hardware was released and could be tested.
lazerasa - Tuesday, July 6, 2004 - link
what happened to the overclock system buyers guide? there hasn't been one in 3 months...?the5thgeek - Tuesday, July 6, 2004 - link
Why are you recomending a motherboard that does not exist? (at least for us poor mortals that must deal in the real world[that board is not even on MSI's web site, much less available retail])warath - Sunday, July 4, 2004 - link
I find it funny that in one article you recommend RAID-0, and in another, you say NOT EVEN Close to worth it :P :) Make up your minds Anandtech!TrogdorJW - Thursday, July 1, 2004 - link
Regarding RAID 0, it really isn't as "useless" as the other article portrays, depending on what you do with it. If you only play games and surf the web, then it certainly isn't that big of a deal. If you routinely copy files around on your hard drive (i.e. either compressing or extracting from archives), or in compiling code, there is a somewhat noticeable improvement in speed. There is also a definite improvement in performance when multitasking with a hard-drive intense operation running in the background. For example, try copying a file from one drive to another drive while surfing the web with and without RAID 0. It's something I do periodically, and I definitely notice an improvement. Video editing definitely benefits from the added hard drive performance.Maybe it's not worth the extra cost, but I really don't like dealing with three hard drive letters much. I have one drive setup as my C: drive, and then two drives striped as drive D:. So I have a 320 GB D: partition and a 120 GB C: partition. The cost of the D: partition was about $230 - only slightly more than a single 74 GB Raptor. Of course, I don't store any critical files on the RAID 0 array - it's all stuff that I would only be moderately irritated at having to reinstall.
Z80 - Thursday, July 1, 2004 - link
Regarding the MSI motherboard recommendation:"A hardware and software service company from Vermont filed a legal class-action suit against Microstar International accusing one of the leading mainboard makers in the world of intentionally using low-quality components on its mainboards. A report from Reuters claims that the suit, filed in Los Angeles Superior Court last Thursday by Electronic Connection Services Corporation claims that MSI has knowingly used capacitors, devices used to regulate the power supply to microchips, that can leak or even explode and cause mainboards to short-circuit. The suit, which seeks to cover any person or company in the United States who has made a wholesale or retail purchase of an MSI mainboard since 1999, seeks unspecified damages and restitution and other relief."
I wonder if I can get any money back for those two crappy MSI MB's I got stuck with!
qooleot - Thursday, July 1, 2004 - link
Ya..I was gonna say the same thing...In one article today you guys write:
If you haven't gotten the hint by now, we'll spell it out for you: there is no place, and no need for a RAID-0 array on a desktop computer. The real world performance increases are negligible at best and the reduction in reliability, thanks to a halving of the mean time between failure, makes RAID-0 far from worth it on the desktop.
And in another article:
Recommended: Dual Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM SATA in RAID 0 Configuration
I guess you guys haven't gotten the hint by now...