Weekly Buyer's Guide: Mid-Range System - April 2004
by Evan Lieb on April 22, 2004 7:00 AM EST- Posted in
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CPU and Motherboard Alternatives
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 2.8C 800MHz FSB (512K L2 cache) NorthwoodMotherboard: ASUS P4P800 Deluxe (865PE chipset)
Price: CPU - $183 shipped (retail heatsink and fan). Motherboard - $125 shipped
Ever since the introduction of 800MHz FSB and HT (Hyper Threading) processors, Intel has been trouncing AMD with their mid-range and high end CPU offerings in terms of performance. While you might initially think that the Athlon XP 2800+ (512K L2 cache) is just as fast as a Pentium 4 2.8C (512K L2 cache), the fact is that they're not performance equivalents of each other. While the 2.8C isn't quite as fast as AMD's Athlon 64 offerings in most applications, they are certainly faster than AMD's Athlon XP offerings. In games, content creation, and encoding, there's about a 20%-30% or so performance gain in going from an Athlon XP 2800+ (512K L2 cache) to a Pentium 4 2.8C (512K L2 cache) processor. Most of that performance is quite noticeable too; though, at the same time, some of it will not be noticeable at all in the real world. In office programs, you're not going to notice much difference between the 2.8C and 2800+, if any difference at all.
Anyway, after some debate, we finally concluded that while the 2.8C offers tremendous performance, the $63 premium for a 2.8C over a 2800+ was just a bit too hefty for our liking. However, if the extra performance that a 2.8C provides over a 2800+ in the programs mentioned above is worth the $63 extra price tag to you, then by all means, purchase a 2.8C. If not, save yourself $63 and use it to upgrade a more important part of your system.
This pick was a tough one, as ABIT, Gigabyte, DFI, MSI and other motherboard manufacturers offer excellent mid-range 865PE offerings. In the end, ASUS had just enough features and performance with their P4P800 Deluxe to edge out the other contenders, not to mention the fact that we've personally tested and approved this motherboard for reliability. The P4P800 Deluxe is one of the best currently available Intel motherboards that you can pair with an 800MHz FSB processor, and therefore, a 2.8C processor is perfect. The P4P800-D has an excellent balance of great features (SATA and IDE RAID, Gigabit LAN, IEEE1394 FireWire, etc.), 865PE performance, and a very good "mid-range" price at $125 shipped. Most online vendors sell this board for more like $125-$130, but as you can see, you will be able to find it for less at a few reputable online vendors. If you were so inclined to, the P4P800 Deluxe is also an excellent motherboard for FSB overclocking if you want to enter into more experienced user territory. Otherwise, we suggest you stick to stock, and not overclocked speeds, if you are a beginning builder.
For a more in-depth look at the ASUS P4P800 Deluxe, we suggest you take a look at our Intel motherboard roundup from last year.
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SKiller - Thursday, April 22, 2004 - link
#3 Close, I was thinking the A64 2800+ at $170.Also, why is a midrange system <$1000?
To me low end ~ $500-$1000, mid range ~ $1000-$1750, and high end ~ $1750-$2500.
KillaKilla - Thursday, April 22, 2004 - link
Unfortunately you can't edit posts ala the forums...Another suggestion: putting in the alternatives in the summary, this way we see what they would cost, all together.
Also, why is the 2.8C recommended over, say, the Athlon 64 3000+? While only about $50 more, it offers a very noticable gain in performance and compatability (the A64, unlike i86, will run future 64 bit OSes and apps).Check the forums, a 2.8C is almost never recomended, except posibly for OCing... and even that may cahnge with the release of the Nforce 3 with working PCI/AGP lock.
KillaKilla - Thursday, April 22, 2004 - link
I dont get the order of impertance, really, they should replace 'midrange' with 'performance'Most people who come here would probobly not get the midrange system for email, webbrowsing, wrod processing, etc. (reliability minded things).
They'd probobly want a bang for buck machine that can play most current games at high settings and future games at medium to low settings.
mlittl3 - Thursday, April 22, 2004 - link
If would be nice if you guys benchmarked these recommended systems. A nice comparison using the usually benchmark tests comparing the entry, mid, high and overclocked systems would show how much bang for your buck you get.If its a matter of time, then some simple logical way of showing that these systems are worth the money other than just looking up prices and giving us technical specs.
An example might be tomshardware.com's fbucks that they used in their VGA charts III article. Total benchmark score divided by price or something like that.
Just a thought.