Weekly Buyer's Guide: Overclocking System - March 2004
by Evan Lieb on March 10, 2004 6:07 PM EST- Posted in
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Memory
Recommendation: 2 X 512MB Mushkin PC3500 Level One (CAS2)Price: $214 shipped
While companies like Corsair, OCZ and now Kingston are heavy favorites among enthusiasts and overclockers, Mushkin is also starting to gain favor rapidly. While we haven't raved about Mushkin modules in previous reviews, we've been quietly impressed with their performance, reliability, and price. Unfortunately, it is getting harder and harder to find dual packs nowadays; but Mushkin Dual Packs are available at large vendors like Axion and Newegg at any rate, so they're still out there. We've been able to perform lots of testing with these specific PC3500 modules and they indeed run stabily at PC3500 (433MHz DDR) on many currently available motherboards, including the NF7-S Rev.2 and P4C800-E Deluxe. Thankfully, these Level One modules overclock to fairly high levels over its rated DDR433 speed. At a 1:1 memory ratio, these modules are perfect for the 2500+ mobile Barton system that we have recommended, if reasonable memory timings are used. However, you can always use a different FSB:memory ratio that will set your memory to lower frequencies so that you can also achieve low latencies. Either way, the performance at very high memory speeds at high latencies compared to lower memory speeds at low latencies is about the same. We suggest that you experiment with both combinations to see which yields the best performance for the applications you run. If you have any questions, you can always visit our forums for more information. It never hurts to ask questions.
Alternative: 2 X 512MB OCZ PC3700 GOLD Revision 2 (CAS2.5)
Price: $265 shipped
These modules are better suited for your Pentium 4 system because of the higher FSB speeds that you will reach with it compared to an Athlon XP system. Like we said before, the performance difference between low memory latencies/frequencies compared to high memory frequencies/latencies is virtually the same, so it's up to you as to how you want to configure your FSB:memory ratios. Make sure not to give up too much latency though, as ridiculously high DDR speeds are worthless if latency is too high.
Video
Recommendation: 128MB Gigabyte Radeon 9600 Pro, DVI and TV-outPrice: $138 shipped
Gigabyte makes several excellent ATI Radeon cards nowadays. Their stock coolers are bigger and better than most you'll find, at least compared to PowerColor and Sapphire.
Gigabyte sent us their Radeon 9600 Pro quite some time ago and today, we are finally able to do a little testing on it. Performance is on par with other 9600 Pro video cards that we've tested. In fact, it was one of the fastest of the bunch. Overclocking performance with Gigabyte's 9600 Pro is stellar; we were able to achieve 475MHz core clock and 700MHz memory clock speeds using the stock Gigabyte cooler. These speeds were Prime 95 and SPECviewperf 7.1.1 stable, but as we've said before, that only gives you a narrow idea of how stable your system will be over a period of several months. Still, we didn't experience a single issue during our stability testing at 475MHz/700MHz. Remember, the stock speeds for the 9600 Pro are 400MHz/600MHz, so we're talking about quite a large difference in performance when overclocked to 475MHz/700MHz.
In case you're curious, we set VAGP in the BIOS to 1.6V. This is a perfectly safe voltage, even though 1.5V is the default VAGP for modern day motherboards. Nothing higher than 1.6V is necessary though, as it'll yield diminishing returns to the point where it's basically pointless to overvolt any higher. The 475MHz/700MHz overclock was achieved on both the 2500+ ABIT NF7-S Rev.2 system and the 2.8C ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe system, running at 2.52GHz (1.80V) and 3.59GHz (1.65V) respectively.
Alternative: Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro with DVI and TV-out
Price: $210
Sapphire also makes one of the better 9800 Pro video cards out there. Speed and features for the price are excellent ($210), and overclocking performance with the stock cooling is impressive. The best combination of core and memory clock speed that we were able to reach was 415MHz core clock and 780MHz memory clock speeds with just the stock cooling. For the few hours that we tested the 9800 Pro with Prime 95 and SPECviewperf 7.1.1, we were unable to see any IQ issues and didn't discover any instability. Overall, a fantastic performer for the money.
If you feel the need to squeeze out more performance from your video card, we suggest that you replace your stock cooling solution (whether it's the 9600 Pro or 9800 Pro) with an Artic Cooling VGA Silencer. They can be had for $27 shipped online.
Listed below is part of our RealTime pricing engine, which lists the lowest prices available from many different reputable vendors on popular memory and video cards:
If you cannot find the lowest prices on the products that we've recommended on this page, it's because we don't list some of them in our RealTime pricing engine. Until we do, we suggest that you do an independent search online at the various vendors' web sites. Just pick and choose where you want to buy your products by looking for a vendor located under the "Vendor" heading.
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KristopherKubicki - Saturday, March 13, 2004 - link
Soundstorm for me!Kristopher
OdieQ - Friday, March 12, 2004 - link
I see that you always recommend Creative sound cards. I have found that Creative produce cards of consistently lower quality than for example M-Audio or Terratec, at about the same price point. Now, I haven't tested Creative cards for a while, have they significantly increased their quality? What do the SoundBlaster cards offer that the alternatives do not?roostercrows - Friday, March 12, 2004 - link
zebo... took your advice on the mobile. did it, got it, thank you! all that's left is to decide on the video card. "to spend or not to spend? that is the question." no time to hurry. ;)Zebo - Thursday, March 11, 2004 - link
roostercrows...you need to go to newegg.com click shop by catagory, click processors, click amd moblie... they have both t-bred and barton cores...Better hurry.:)roostercrows - Thursday, March 11, 2004 - link
Nice job Evan, the article was worth waiting for.Noob that I am, I can't seem to find anyone selling the "mobile" version of the 2500+. I called all the suppliers listed at the top of the "CPU" page and the buyer for one very well known e-tailer told me that "We didn't think that it would sell so we don't carry it". AMD told me that it was "just for lap-tops and not really sold to the public. Hmmmmmm?
I are confused!
Please tell me where I can purchase one online? I promise that I won't tell anyone you told.
siamesenick - Thursday, March 11, 2004 - link
Evan, I was talking about the replacement for Black Level II, not actual level II: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?descript...Hugenstein - Thursday, March 11, 2004 - link
The ram...http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_info.php?cPath=...
araczynski - Thursday, March 11, 2004 - link
overall a very nice primer for those looking to jump into the hobby.I would question the logic of putting a 9600 level card into a speed demon as it pretty much nullifies the whole point of the overclocking in the first place i would imagine, i mean i can't imagine people overclock so their excel spreadsheets calculate faster....
i realize the 9600 level (and the alternative from nvidia 5700/5800?) aren't exactly slowpokes, but with prices right now there's no reason for an overclocker to go below 9800/5900.
my humble opinion anyway :)
i like the article though. i'm more then happy with my little 2.4 @ 3.3 (zalman 7000cu on the way though ;)
Jeff7181 - Thursday, March 11, 2004 - link
Now if only I could find the Muskin Twin pack you mentioned for the price you quoted...Jeff7181 - Thursday, March 11, 2004 - link
Very well put together, Evan. I was a bit skeptical about whether it would be a useful article... what I was looking for was RAM recommendations since I just ordered a Mobile XP2500 and my current RAM won't do more than 208 Mhz no matter what the timings or voltage. I was considering the Mushkin you recommended, and it looks like a very attractive deal, especially considering AT users get an extra 10% off directly from Mushkin. I'd prefer PC3700 though cause I've already tested my current mobo and CPU at a 233 Mhz FSB, my RAM just can't get there, I'd definately like to run at that speed with the new Mobile XP2500 that's coming. I considered OCZ, but the timings didn't look that great to me, especially for the price. I wonder if OCZ might offer a 15% discount for AT users??? :) (hint hint)